{"id":236535,"date":"2023-09-22T10:21:14","date_gmt":"2023-09-22T10:21:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lovemainstream.com\/?p=236535"},"modified":"2023-09-22T10:21:14","modified_gmt":"2023-09-22T10:21:14","slug":"sir-ian-mckellen-and-roger-allam-on-their-enduring-40-year-friendship","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lovemainstream.com\/lifestyle\/sir-ian-mckellen-and-roger-allam-on-their-enduring-40-year-friendship\/","title":{"rendered":"Sir Ian McKellen and Roger Allam on their enduring 40-year friendship"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1>&#8216;Retirement is for people who can&#8217;t or don&#8217;t want to work (but neither of those applies to us)&#8217;: Appearing in a new play together, Sir Ian McKellen and Roger Allam on their enduring 40-year friendship<\/h1>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The pair star in Ben Weatherill&#8217;s critically acclaimed new play Frank and Percy\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong>\u00a0READ MORE:\u00a0PATRICK MARMION reviews Frank and Percy<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>There was a time when Sir Ian McKellen could never have envisaged a roar of approval from a theatre audience at seeing two men kiss in a gay romcom.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a far cry from the dark times he can all-too-easily recall when it was not only illegal to be gay, but also when even to \u2018mention the words gay, queer or homosexual would put people off the conversation\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>And yet the legendary actor and his friend Roger Allam, a three-time Oliver Award winner and star of Morse spin-off Endeavour, have been enjoying a spectacular run in Frank And Percy, a poignant and witty observation on the unexpected romance that blossoms between two lonely men who meet one spring day while walking their dogs, Toffee and Bruno, on London\u2019s Hampstead Heath.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>This new play by Ben Weatherill received a critically acclaimed world premiere at the Theatre Royal Windsor, followed by a sell-out run at the Theatre Royal Bath, and is now in London theatre The Other Palace.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018We were amazed with the enthusiasm of the Windsor audience, who you might think would be staid and conservative,\u2019 says Ian.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i.dailymail.co.uk\/1s\/2023\/09\/19\/16\/75601511-12534995-image-a-1_1695137557335.jpg\" height=\"951\" width=\"634\"><\/p>\n<p>Ian plays Percy (left) and Roger plays Frank in Ben\u00a0Weatherill&#8217;s new play which,\u00a0after sell-out runs at the Theatre Royal Windsor and the Theatre Royal Bath, is now showing in London<\/p>\n<p>\u2018But they lapped it up and chortled and shouted out approval at some points. The same was true in Bath where you couldn\u2019t get a ticket. So it seems word has gone round that this is a bit of a crowd-pleaser.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Yet in 1967 it would have been illegal for me to have sex. Back then I just thought that\u2019s how things were. You just got on with it.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Among friends and colleagues, Ian, famed for landmark roles such as Richard III on stage and Gandalf in six Hollywood movies, was never in the closet.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But he came out publicly in 1988 \u2013 prompted by the Aids epidemic and in protest at the Section 28 legislation against the promotion of homosexuality \u2013 and has been a prominent campaigner for the LGBTQ+ cause ever since.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018For me, coming out was an absolute revelation,\u2019 Ian, 84, says. \u2018I realised the oppression I\u2019d been under whereas before I accepted it, like slaves do.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;If you\u2019ve been oppressed, when you\u2019re released, you realise how stupid and cruel it was and how daft other people behave.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;The shame of being gay is something a lot of gay people will say they\u2019ve experienced. It comes from other people, not yourself, which they visit on you and you accept.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Even today there are moments I have to think, \u201cAm I going to have to watch my language or am I going to be myself?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u2018There are Premier League footballers who are unable to say they\u2019re gay. So it\u2019s astonishing today that people who are so confident on the field and so successful in life are frightened.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Far from it working against him, Ian found he thrived as an openly gay actor.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>He went on to play arch-villain Magneto in several X-Men movies, the first in 2000, and between 2001 and 2014 he was the wise wizard Gandalf in Peter Jackson\u2019s adaptations of JRR Tolkien\u2019s The Hobbit and The Lord Of The Rings.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018I was in a cab not so long ago and the taxi driver, in a rather gruff way, was enquiring whether I had grandchildren. And I thought, \u201cNo, of course I don\u2019t have grandchildren, I\u2019m gay. I wasn\u2019t allowed to get married when I was young.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;So I said, \u201cNo, I\u2019m gay.\u201d I felt glad I\u2019d been honest. Then the cab driver said, \u201cYeah, I am too, mate.\u201d\u2019 Ian chuckles, his blue eyes twinkling.<\/p>\n<p>Ian and Roger are not just colleagues but have been great friends since they first met in the early 80s.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In Glasgow in 1988, Ian asked Roger to carry a banner on a march protesting against Section 28. Despite his \u2018appalling hangover\u2019, Roger was happy to support his pal, with Ian describing him as \u2018the most gay-friendly straight man I know\u2019.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Their friendship deepened after they realised the ease with which they shared a dressing room the first time they worked together, in The Old Vic\u2019s 2004 production of Aladdin, in which Ian played Widow Twankey to Roger\u2019s evil Abanazar.<\/p>\n<p>The pair reunited for the film Mr Holmes in 2015, and now we can enjoy their chemistry once again in Frank And Percy, which follows two old-timers, devoted to their dogs, passing time on a park bench.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>They strike up small talk about the weather, hip ops, hearing aids and Pontefract cake before sharing opinions, then confidences and romantic feelings.<\/p>\n<p>Retired teacher Frank (Roger) is mourning his late wife, while Percy (Ian), a sociology professor and openly gay man, is also alone.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i.dailymail.co.uk\/1s\/2023\/09\/19\/16\/75601513-12534995-image-a-2_1695137621058.jpg\" height=\"868\" width=\"634\"><\/p>\n<p>The pair first worked together in The Old Vic\u2019s 2004 production of Aladdin &#8211; Ian played Widow Twankey to Roger\u2019s evil Abanazar<\/p>\n<p>\u2018Both are lonely and looking for something or someone in their life,\u2019 says Roger, 69, who is married to actress Rebecca Saire, with whom he has two sons.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u2018The play looks at how hard it can be in later life to form relationships. Solitude can be wonderful but only until it tips over into loneliness.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018Sharing a dressing room with Ian during the panto cemented our friendship, so having another chance to work with him is brilliant. The panto was where he got to know my wife and our children.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Would Ian have wanted children himself? \u2018Even if things had been different I would not have had children. I think people should be very careful before they decide to have children. It\u2019s a great responsibility.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;I thought the best thing about being gay was that we weren\u2019t allowed to get married and have children. That\u2019s all changed, but I cannot imagine it.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;I would have been a dreadful parent, but many gay parents have thought about it with a great deal more care than some straight couples.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;I even have a bad track record when it comes to godchildren. I\u2019m not a godparent to Roger and Rebecca\u2019s sons, which does take the pressure off.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Roger, who\u2019s normally very droll, admits poignantly to his friend, \u2018I was going to ask you to be a god-father to both boys at one point but I felt it wasn\u2019t welcome.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Ian is silenced for a moment. Would he have accepted? \u2018Of course. I\u2019d have been less than satisfactory, but I\u2019d have said to Rebecca and Roger, \u201cWhat does this mean? Is it just a title?\u201d I suspect they\u2019d have said, \u201cWe want you to take a real interest in them.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;I hope they might have said that, on occasion, I could\u2026 not intervene, but invite myself into the boys\u2019 lives. That would have been something I\u2019d have enjoyed. But you don\u2019t have to be a godfather to do that.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Frank And Percy explores ageing, death and grief, topics that occupy them both.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u2018I worry about death a lot. I have felt deep grief, from my parents to the loss of a close friend,\u2019 says Roger.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u2018Although there was no money and my father was a vicar, my parents were education-obsessed and got me into Christ\u2019s Hospital boarding school, a charity school. I went a year earlier than I should have and was thrown in at the deep end.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018It felt pretty brutal after our really warm family home. Then I managed to scrape into university. I never got to have an adult relationship with my father because he died when he was 63. So I grieve that to this day.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Ian, who grew up in Burnley, Wigan and Bolton, also knows the shattering loss of the early death of a parent.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>His mother died of breast cancer when he was 12 and his father died in a car crash when Ian was 25, three weeks after seeing his son\u2019s West End debut.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u2018I managed the grief very badly,\u2019 Ian says. \u2018I don\u2019t have much to criticise my family for, but it was suggested I didn\u2019t go to my mother\u2019s funeral. I was on the school camp and it was thought it would have been disruptive \u2013 better that I carried on being on holiday.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever recovered from my mother\u2019s death. I didn\u2019t, at the time, feel the pain I\u2019ve since felt.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;When everyone was shocked about Princess Diana\u2019s death, I couldn\u2019t relate at all, even though I knew her slightly. It was only when I realised Prince Harry was exactly the age I was when I lost my mother that I made a personal connection with it.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>His parents died without knowing he was gay. \u2018There wasn\u2019t anybody I\u2019d worked with who didn\u2019t know I was gay. The only people I\u2019d not talked to about it were my blood family, the roots went too deep. So coming out was wonderful,\u2019 he says.<\/p>\n<p>As for Roger\u2019s character Frank, has he always been bisexual? \u2018He\u2019s described as having once had feelings for a man,\u2019 Roger says. \u2018You change as you get older, and Frank finds a lot in Percy that is very stimulating \u2013 he\u2019s intellectual and funny.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Retirement is another key theme. \u2018Percy says at one point, \u201cI\u2019ve only two things in my life, my dog and my work. That\u2019s all I\u2019ve got left. I don\u2019t want to let go of either of them.\u201d I can relate,\u2019 says Ian.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u2018I keep working because I know that relatively soon, perhaps I won\u2019t be able to work.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Percy\u2019s observation is poignant, especially as Dame Judi Dench has opened up about having age-related macular degeneration, saying she can no longer see on a film set.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018It might be the eyes, the ears, the memory or the knees for any of us,\u2019 says Ian. \u2018I think Jude will persevere because I sense she needs acting, out of habit as much as anything else.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Just like Roger and Ian. So will either of them retire? \u2018Retirement is for people who can\u2019t or don\u2019t want to do the job any longer. 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